Pope Innocent III ~~~ Truly (the pope) should not flatter himself about his power, nor should he rashly glory in his honor and high estate...
[Link Pending]: The Cardinals & A Council Cannot Judge A Pope. (On St. Bellarmine).
By Bro. Michael Dimond, & Bro. Peter Dimond.
"When Bellarmine refers to a manifest heretic being judged, he’s referring to someone who has already ceased to be the pope."
The dimond brothers are a fraud. NOT Priests! NOT Benedictine Monks. Frauds!
Watch what you say. I PROVED they are neither. They are deceivers. I proved it over and over again with many video's and articles. They are liars. Took them 20 years to perfect the game they have now. In the beginning they were out to destroy The Soul. And still at it. They were put in their place over and over and over again. I watched as peter was destroyed by a real Catholic. He got out of his seat, turning red from angry. He had an anger problem. We thought he would hit the person. They use to swear as well. Sorry, you are deceived. Wake up and get away from them. If not, do not try to deceive others. GOD knows all things and He reveals all truth. IF you ignore it. You are responsible for what's to come to you. Heed my words or pay the consequences. I will not answer any more of your comments. I don't associate with sede's. I said what I had to say.
You did not prove anything. Even myself can anger you, like you are already furious. Feelings. You have feelings don't you?
Something before I add more to the comment: Watch this video... because your...
They have given a comprehensive history of their monastery as well in a video with a title (quite recent). What their apostolate was (cloistered), against now. The founder of the monastery.
@Olprint I see you have engaged @Instaurare Omnia in Christo! God speed! Many things could have transpired since the founding of the Monastery. However, the veracity of their teachings appears unrefutable. @Instaurare Omnia in Christo has a big problem with Catholic Truth. I just get a big kick out of people saying who is a Religious or not! Who placed her in the judgment seat? God bless you!
To be clear, in the case of heresy it is God who judges it because the Catholic Faith is revealed by God. The Pope is in effect judged by God as a heretic when he rejects the faith. Any man can identify the Pope as a heretic freely without any problem in that case. The man is not judging the Pope, the Pope has already been judged by God. The man is simply expressing an existing judgement.
Nonsense. No man has the authority to definitively "express an existing [Divine] judgment of the Pope."
"Any man can identify the Pope as a heretic freely without any problem in that case. The man is not judging the Pope, the Pope has already been judged by God. The man is simply expressing an existing judgement."
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That is a Protestant notion that comes from a lousy reading of Catholic theologians, Bellarmine for example.
"No man has the authority to definitively "express an existing [Divine] judgment of the Pope.""
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The Church (for example via bishops gathered in a council) has an authority to judge that the pope lost ipso facto his office due to heresy (cf. Bellarmine - on the Councils for example).
Respectfully, that is St. Bellarmine's opinion. But my statement stands solid under Bellarmine: "No individual man has the authority..."
Who on earth has the proper(formal) authority to definitively judge him "manifested as a public heretic?"
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It belongs to faith not only that the heart should believe, but also that external words and deeds should bear witness to the inward faith, for confession is an act of faith. In this way too, certain external words or deeds pertain to unbelief, in so far as they are signs of unbelief, even as a sign of health is said itself to be healthy. Now although the authority quoted may be understood as referring to every kind of apostate, yet it applies most truly to an apostate from the faith. For since faith is the first foundation of things to be hoped for, and since, without faith it is “impossible to please God”; when once faith is removed, man retains nothing that may be useful for the obtaining of eternal salvation, for which reason it is written (Prov. 6:12): “A man that is an apostate, an unprofitable man”: because faith is the life of the soul, according to Rom. 1:17: “The just man liveth by faith.” Therefore, just as when the life of the body is taken away, man’s every member and part loses its due disposition, so when the life of justice, which is by faith, is done away, disorder appears in all his members. First, in his mouth, whereby chiefly his mind stands revealed; secondly, in his eyes; thirdly, in the instrument of movement; fourthly, in his will, which tends to evil. The result is that “he sows discord,” endeavoring to sever others from the faith even as he severed himself.
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"Who on earth has the proper(formal) authority to definitively judge him "manifested as a public heretic?"
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The Church has. And before the Church decides people must behave somehow and judge (privately) in their conscience if important, objective doubts occur and if objective dangers to their souls exist.
And the revolution of last decades in official ecclesial structures on multiple levels: theological, liturgical, sacramental, educational, practical is such a danger. Hierarchy that embraced it, creating chaos and countless scandals or taking active part in them (at least by the silence of "dumb dogs" Is 56) - yes, they are in an objective state of suspicion of promoting heresy or even adhering to it.
We have historical precedents: the crisis of Arianism (or rather compromise semi-arianism which was the main cause of troubles), the Monothelete crisis, the Protestant revolution, the Great Schism where heresy or schism abounded due to treason of the clergy (Luther himself was a priest and monk, so was Arius and many bishops followed their wicked ways) and before the Church has judged (by Council of Trent, Councils of Constantinople in first three cases) or worked a practical way out (council of Pisa and Council of Constance - in case of the Great Western Schism)
And, as the calamity, mysterium iniquitatis has lasted for so long, as it has reached Vatican and there is a huge crisis (incl. authority) people are responding to it in different ways - the main are: R&R and sedevacantism (in its different forms/dates). It is understandable and have nothing to do with Martin Luther, honoured and "enthroned" in Vatican in past decades, by the way (another evidence of state treason and defection).
The Church has always been in "tumoil" in one degree or another. Despite this, many men and women remained firmly and formally in the Fold, rose above the turmoil and became great Saints. Follow their lead.
Only GOD alone can definitively judge the Pope an heretic.
Canon 1404 (from the Code of Canon Law (1983))
“The First See is judged by no one [on Earth]”
(Latin: “Prima Sedes a nemine iudicatur.”)
The Church may judge ex-pope that lost his office due to pertinacious heresy (cf. Bellarmine, Suarez, Turrecremata and others).
Excellent! "The Church" = Magisterium. "Bellarmine, Suarez, Turrecremata and others" = No resistance or sedevacate.
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Sure. Every Catholic has the
"right" to personally judge the Papal chair vacant = dilusional Marxist nonsense. Lala land. Not Catholic.
"Catholics are well within their rights to believe the seat could be vacant right now," Lala land...
I agree on the potential morality of holding certain doctrinal opinions, not formally defined. But this moral license cannot be extended to the personal judgement of any of the Church hierarchy's character or legitimacy, much less the Vicar of Christ. This is a grave moral matter. To hold these opinions strictly private may, perhaps, mitigate culpability. But opinions (judgements) made public will be judged severely.
Is there a moral mandate for all Catholics to maintain formal communion with the "Visible Hierarchy?"
Catholic answer = Yes. Protestant answer = Yes, only if I deem submission worthy = Said every schismatic heretic since apostolic days.
They did not use "I" in their answers. They used "So long as that hierarchy/they..."
We can gather that they must:
1. Adhere to the traditions of the Apostles.
2. Not be heretics.
Do you agree?
Luke 12:48 "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."